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:iconsovietmaster:
Whats your view on Pol Pot and Democratic Kampuchea/Communist Party of Kampuchea.

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"Everything in the world is in motion. . . . Life changes, productive forces grow, old relations collapse."— Karl Marx

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:iconthe-necromancer:
For the most part I have very little knowledge of the Khmer Rouge. As such, I'm not too certain that I can form a good opinion, however I have read your conversation with comrade ~renegadeofpeace. It was most interesting, and a bit informative on both sides.

Sadly, I must also say I don't entirely condone mass killings. After all, we don't want to be seen as comparable to the Nazi scum. Sentence to a GULAG-like penal system where the emphasis is not exactly killing but hard labor would be a more just and productive method. Of course, limitations and restraint of opportunists plays a large part in it all as well.

Then again...

I guess many did die in the GULAG system as well. Alas, the problems of subduing the bourgeoisie while keeping the ethical high ground...

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:iconsovietmaster:
The GUALG, as I hear, was simply not one entity. Like the Red Gaurds there were different GULAGs. Some where just prisions others labour camps and some re-educational facilities. The bueacracy took advantaged of this as they did with the Collectivization era. Imprisoning those who were agaisnt them, those who threatened them and those who would up-sure them. But then many didnt die due to Repressions. From a good source (Though highly anti-Soviet) the repressions had 12 million people involded. This is sub-divided into non-intentional and justifable. The justifable would be Nazbols,Nazis, Terrorists of the "left opposition" headed by the Zionviev-Samnev,Kamenev centre. The total for that is 1.4 million. The non-intentional(meaning all members of the the All-Union Communist party didnt intend or want those deaths) was 3 million. GULAG is: 1.5 million, during transport: 0.5 and the state executed 1 million. so of these the repressions killed 4.4 million people.

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"Everything in the world is in motion. . . . Life changes, productive forces grow, old relations collapse."— Karl Marx

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:iconthe-necromancer:
You are correct, the GULAG was not one system per se. As for your figures, I have no knowledge of the data, but I would imagine your reliable source was "The Black Book of Communism"? While being very anti-Soviet and anti-Communist, I do suppose it is accurate in some ways. I'm not entirely convinced on the figures for the Great Purge or the Ukrainian Famine, though...

And those are a whole different topic altogether.

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:iconrenegadeofpeace:
Uhm... being a communist living in a former socialist country (however not a member of this club) I can say that Pol Pot was greatly disliked and looked down on even by most people in the Eastern Block.
My grandfather (who was also a communist btw.) always said he was a "Red Hitler".
There was also a sarcastic drawing of him in Pravda made by a Soviet cartoonist in 1985 titled: "Greatest homicidal maniacs of all time"
He stood on a podium and was staring at Hitler above him with envy. The text was: "Pol Pot. If he wasnt such a Pol-Pot worker he would have extinguished Cambodia" The joke is that the word "pol-pot" in the russian slang was used to define lazy people.

So in short: I don't know about the others but I certainly don't think that we should look up on or follow Pol Pot.

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:iconsovietmaster:
I see, well comrade our views are very different yours and mine.

Besides I dont think Pol Pot, or the regime in general, acted as genocideal. As seen in the reports of Ieng Sary and others they didnt kill intellectuals for "wear glasses" and most of those skulls were not of Khmer Rouge victims. Most could have been any victims of the American bombing raids on Kampuchea (in which over 500,000 tons of bombs were dropped over all of kampuchea from farms, and villages to cities) or of the famines that followed in Lon Nols regime or even when the Vietnamese invaded.

The only estimate death toll for the DK(Democratic Kampuchea), which is not only offical but used by Vickery in his "on KR genocide", 800,000.


the bombings alone killed 600,000 and put nearly 3 million people homeless plus all industries crushed. To build that up and change society would indeed "change 2000 years of history of Kampuchea" of the old feudal ways.

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"Everything in the world is in motion. . . . Life changes, productive forces grow, old relations collapse."— Karl Marx

"A lie told often enough becomes the truth."-Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
:iconrenegadeofpeace:
It's difficult to form a picture out of the death statistics. Kampuchea was a huge mess after it gained it's independence.

Military dictatorships followed each other in a short period of time the only difference between them is that some of them were America friendly and some of them weren't but all of them (and as you mentioned the American and later between 1978-1980 the Vietnamese agression) caused incredible damage to the country.

Thanks to the long French occupation Kampuchea had absolutely no clue how a modern country and government should function they only knew one method of control: force.
It is difficult to judge them from our perspective, what is too brutal for us is was natural to them. And this "political" method of the iron fist was practiced by ALL and EVERY one of the leaders regardless of ideology.

Therefore I don't say that Kampuchean communism and Pol Pot were exceptionally cruel compared to any of it's contemporary political systems or leaders in the country.
He might be an ideologically great figure, but still I hold on to my opinion that how he executed these ideologies should not be followed or thought right.

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:iconsovietmaster:
Indeed, trying to rebuild its economy and industry (actually the KR got a bit far on that. Research before Revolution periods in terms of Farms and Industries)

But for alot of brutalityit can not be blamed on just Pol Pot. There were, of course, opportunists in the party and the Yuon Angkar ( a Vietnamese created Angkar or Organization) near the border between Kampuchea and Vietnam that acted as a safe-gaurd for the Vietcong units still near those areas. These agents knew more Khmer then most peasatns/farmser so they were regarded as intellectuals and this gave them the opportunity to kill off Khmer Rouge Intellectuals to secure the Coup D'etat. But then Pol Pot launched his own purge of the party. (in which Vorn Vet fled to Vietnam) And tried to get rid of the Yuon Angkar (it had at least some success)

But then again,comrade, as Engles said "Revolution is an act in which the Proletariat force their will apon the Bourgoise" and Mao "Revolution is not a dinner party, nor writting an essay or doing sowing, it is not leasutrely ,kind or gental in nature. It is an act in which one class overthrows another"

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"Everything in the world is in motion. . . . Life changes, productive forces grow, old relations collapse."— Karl Marx

"A lie told often enough becomes the truth."-Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

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